The Ruse and Fail of Little Green Footballs: Part III – The Bannings

This is Part 3 of a monograph about a blog named Little Green Footballs and its founder Charles Foster Johnson. Click the links below for related posts. They will be updated as the series continues.
Part 1 – Overview
Part 2 – The Ascendance of Charles Johnson and LGF
Part 3 – The Bannings
Part 4 – The Flounces
Part 5 – The Turnaround
Part 6 – Current Events & The Future Of LGF

Bonus track: Revisiting Rathergate


Every blogger, regardless of the size or popularity of his/her blog, eventually will have to deal with a troll. It’s no fun when someone shows up with the intent to irritate everyone.[1]

[First banning, post-911, courtesy of The Boiler Room Crew]

No one would claim that Charles Johnson never banned anyone from trolling on LGF. Indeed one unpopular commenter was banned in April of 2005 for his/her continual “baiting” of other posters, often creating an incredibly hostile atmosphere. In addition, there were some posters who for one reason or another went overboard (especially when discussing Islam and the Middle East) and were told that they might be happier elsewhere. Fair enough.

In the early years of LGF, dissent from the prevailing opinion on a topic was certainly not discouraged. There were several posters who regularly argued the contrary point of view, but for the most part such argument was not mean-spirited. Real trolls who came only to post incendiary comments were greeted with scorn, and members were advised to “GAZE” upon the troll (ignore it) or to discuss “Mr. Holland’s Opus” in depth until the troll departed.

Bannings were sporadic, and usually well deserved for egregious behavior by a commenter. However, sometimes the ban stick was used indiscriminately, with little or no warning. A pattern was emerging that left a lot of fans of Little Green Footballs scratching their heads.

One harbinger was the infamous and inexplicable “Night of Long Knives”[2] Charles Johnson had an altercation with a vocal commenter about unnecessary profanity. When others voiced support for the dissenter, that he had a right to his opinion (profane or otherwise) they too were banned without discussion. Invisible lines had been crossed, and paranoia set in among the LGF community. Nobody knew who was going to be next, because the rules had changed, and no one knew what the new rules were.

In short, the “Night of Long Knives” was a small revolution in support of free speech on Little Green Footballs. Charles Johnson had been openly criticized on his own blog by his own lizards, and he didn’t like it. Rather than accept the dissent and let the lizards police their own, Johnson chose to lop off the heads of his critics. But he went further than that.

Not only did he ban his critics, he banned many silent lurking lizards just for logging on and reading the thread.

The purging of his detractors continued, albeit not so dramatically. However, in 2009 Johnson began to systematically eliminate conservative posters, many who had been with LGF since 2004. He began banning anyone who disagreed with him on any topic, often without warning and with transparent flimsy excuses.

[Graph courtesy of The Boiler Room Crew Statistics Department.]

According to one long-time poster at LGF, it was confirmed to him by several others that two of the “monitor lizards” had a long list of people they wanted banned. They kept spreadsheets of the comments and up/down dings by the people they targeted for quick reference. The monitors would then coordinate with their groupies to taunt those folks until a targeted person fought back, at which point they would pile on and scream bloody murder. Why Johnson chose to allow these sociopaths to destroy his community is open for debate, but likely both greed and avarice were involved.

“Others have confirmed to me that Charles was directly involved in this as well, emailing his sycophants to taunt various posters to try to drive them to say something he could use as an excuse to ban them.”[3]

Before we delve deeper into the bannings, there is another topic that needs explanation.

The Secret Threads

One of Johnson’s frequent tactics was to post a “secret thread,” a private post, viewable only by those registered at Little Green Footballs. These posts allowed loyal lizards to defame outsiders, plot blog strategy, and be themselves within the confines of an internet wall. Only the approved elite lizards could view the “secret threads.” But there was a catch.

Johnson knew that outsiders were reading his “secret threads” because they posted them on other websites. He was also tracking and collecting IP addresses in order to identify sock puppets, i.e., those with multiple accounts on LGF posting comments under different names. He called this his “Correlator Tool.”

In order to combat this breach of secrecy and to identify socks, Johnson created what The Boiler Room Crew identified and referred to as “Comment 17.” In EVERY private thread, Johnson embedded a number that he could use to identify the lizard who copied and posted it elsewhere, and then track, ban and block the offender’s IP address.

Eventually, a Diary of Daedalus commenter (Internet Septic Tank Engineer) pointed out that Johnson had inadvertently blocked all North American Universities and the entire country of Bolivia from viewing LGF. Johnson realized that his strategy of generic mass IP tracking and blocking didn’t work very well.


Of all the bannings that took place from the first public banning in April 2005 and the day the final real conservative turned out the light and closed the door, there was no banning that was more mean-spirited and repugnant than that of blogger Zombie in 2009. For many long-term conservative lizards it was the treatment of Zombie that pushed them over the edge.

Zombie was a long-time member of LGF and earned the rarely conferred status of “LGF Operative.” This “Operative” was instrumental in revealing the shady and seedy side of the anti-War, anti-Israel leftist movement in the Bay Area by infiltrating rallies and posting condemning photographs with brilliant commentary. Charles gave Zombie’s work center stage, including an excellent photo essay on deception in photojournalism. Zombie’s work was as much a part of the success of LGF as anything.

As Charles Johnson veered left, Zombie stayed put, and dared to contradict the LGF versions of news stories with brutal facts and logic. Johnson had a problem: how to get rid of one of the most popular contributors to Little Green Footballs. Zombie had one of the highest “Karma Points” of anyone, and his/her comments often received dozens of “updings.” Zombie was a rare prize, a golden goose.

At the same time, Charles was attempting to establish his new liberal bona fides and was busy trashing conservative bloggers regardless of previous alliances. [See Part 2 of this series.] Many former LGF members congregated at Zombie’s forum (zombietime) to vent their frustration about LGF’s blogmaster and his treatment of many long-term friends. Note that the thread posted by Zombie had nothing to do with Charles Johnson, and didn’t even mention him or LGF. It was the commenters who brought up his name.

The genesis of this particular event was the work of LGF member Irish Rose. This self-appointed defender of Johnson stomped into Zombie’s blog on 4 October 2009, read comments (posted days before) that were less than complimentary to Charles Johnson. She left comments castigating Zombie for allowing people to “be mean” to Johnson, and returned to her home base at LGF to lie about it on a private thread. [4] [5]

“I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her.

She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?”

In fact, Zombie had not removed Irish Rose’ comment. The real crime to Charles was that anyone would allow comments from others disparaging him on their own blog. In Johnson’s view, the owner of any blog is responsible for ALL comments posted on that blog, and that is the crux – that EVERY blogger should follow the LGF method, and if they don’t moderate or delete offensive comments, they’re evil by association. This is a recurring theme with Johnson that will be explored later in this series.

Once Johnson gave his imprimatur to bash Zombie, the sycophants piled on, and from then on, any mention of Zombie was verboten. Perhaps the most telling comment from the private thread is this one from Charles Johnson himself:

“I would appreciate it if people don’t discuss this in public threads, please.”

In other words, once they’re banned, their names were not to be mentioned, and more invisible eggshells piled up in the doorway of Little Green Footballs.


The only other Lizard who had a larger worldwide influence was Fjordman. Johnson promoted him as one in the forefront of the battle against Islamist extremism, yet once Anders Brevik committed his brutal atrocities in Oslo, Johnson blamed it all on fellow bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, even though Johnson and Little Green Footballs garnered third place in Brevik’s “Manifesto,” beating out Geller by a factor of 3.

“Think Progress” conveniently left out Little Green Footballs from their bar graph of Breivik’s top influences giving Johnson a free shot at his former friends. There is no way to do justice to Fjordman’s posts in such a brief monograph as this, but it illustrates the character of Charles Johnson.

Was Johnson a culprit, an instigator, complicit in the Oslo massacre? Of course not, and neither were Geller or Spencer. It’s like arguing that the Beatles were responsible for the Manson Gang’s murder spree for recording “Helter Skelter.” It just isn’t true, even though Johnson claimed it to be. Guilt by association makes logical sense in Johnson’s world.

In summary, Charles Johnson has blocked/banned over 15,800 registered lizards from commenting on LGF, with more than 10,000 accounts vaporized in 2011 alone. Several prolific commenters had every one of their comments, numbering in the tens of thousands, deleted as if they’d never existed, making it virtually impossible to discern the reasons for their dismissals. [6]

[Caveat: In no way is this monograph comprehensive, nor is it intended to defame or otherwise impugn Charles Johnson, Little Green Footballs or anyone associated with any blog. Any and all conjecture should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer. This is not Wikipedia; however, if any readers find fault with this monograph, please leave comments with verifiable backup and we’ll correct factual errors.]

[Coming up: Part 4 – The  Flounces]

[1] A “troll” is internet jargon for a person who leaves inflammatory and/or insulting comments on a blog in order to disrupt civil conversation. A commenter who merely states a contrary opinion is not usually considered to be a “troll” on most blogs (excepting LGF).

[2] LGF article “Hizballah Sets Up Shop in Venezuela” 1 September 2006 3:52PM PDT

[3] Bagua, comment on Diary of Daedalus, 28 January 2012.

[4] Full transcript of the 4 October 2009 “Secret Thread” was captured by AvidEditor. Irish Rose’ backstabbing begins at Comment 176. Cato the Elder called her on it at Comment 400.

[5] First mention of LGF is comment #4, 27 September 2009. Irish Rose showed up at comment #125, 4 October.

[6] The Boiler Room Crew, Diary of Daedalus, LGF Banned List Update: Lizard Genocide 13 March 2012.

[Updated links and title. –Ed]

113 Comments on “The Ruse and Fail of Little Green Footballs: Part III – The Bannings”

  1. Pakimon says:

    Best part yet!

    Going through the footnotes was hilarious.

    My favorite was reading Wild Irish Rose’s histrionics over Zombie’s supposed “crimes against Chunkmanity”.

    At the time, little did she know that not only would she be run out of The Bog, but the entire blogosphere. 😆

    Best quote in the Zombie thread:

    And jazz guitar sucks — it’s like putting Clint Eastwood in a dress — an abomination against nature.

  2. Pakimon says:

    As an aside, I think it irks The Chunkster to this day that his “secret threads” turned out to be not so secret.

    A direct insult of his “mad coding skillz”. 😆

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  6. Macker says:

    Whatever happened to Wild Irish Ho anyway? Is she still in Grand Rapids, MI?

  7. Speranza says:

    “Night of Long Knives” – I gave it that name in comparing it to the “Night of the Long Knives” that the Nazis did in June 30, 1934 aka “The Rohm Putsch” in which they purged the S.A. in a mass blood letting.

    • African Moondog says:

      It is a pity that Gordon closed down his blogs. His “LGF Banned and Blocked” had a very good account of this incident, I think he called it “The Great GCP Massacre”.

  8. garycooper says:

    unpopular commenter was banned in April of 2005 for his/her continual “baiting” of other posters, often creating an incredibly hostile atmosphere.

    Anyone recall that sumbitch’s name?

    • African Moondog says:


      • African Moondog says:

        Wrong! Rayra was the main purgee of the Great GCP Massacre. It was legendary because he called Charles a wuss and hinted that Gordon had actually taken over LGF. I thought he was both nuts and profane. Although he was wrong about Gordon in the end he was merely profane. 🙂

      • RTR's Rude Awakening says:

        Rayra was the one who said “who is this, Nancy”?

    • rightymouse says:

      I think the poster was ‘Bigel.

      • RTR's Rude Awakening says:

        Bigel wasn’t a “baiter”, he was a “nukem”. I think Nodrog was the “baiter”.

        2005 was pretty early. It actually took some work to get banned back then.

      • rightymouse says:

        He baited Reaganite, IIRC. He was banned over this kerfluffle, not his ‘nuke ’em’ comments.

  9. garycooper says:

    Nodrog has taken his lgfbannedandblocked site down, but the Wayback Machine did grab this gem, his entry on the Zombie-banning. It contains some howlers, such as an Iceweasel monologue, and a classic “I’m sorry, Charles” from Sharmuta. Also, the notion is expressed that LGF was now getting all kinds of attention from the Left, and “tens of thousands” of new readers who are turned on by the new direction.

    Be careful, if you’re drinking coffee. 😆

    Thursday, January 28, 2010
    As has been mentioned elsewhere, Zombie is no longer welcome at LGF. Perhaps this is a sign of the true LGF apocalypse, as much of the lizardoid luster was due to the work of this “operative,” now found exclusively at his/her/its own blog “Zombietime.” And according to recent research, inadequately disproved by Zombie, it’s “he.”

    For your edification, here is an edited transcript of the private LGF thread that resulted in Zombie’s banning. I will post it without further comment, except to say that it exemplifies several interesting trends with LGF, and is, IMHO, quite hilarious.

    176 Irish Rose Sun, Oct 4, 2009 4:59:05pm •

    I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her. She removed my post, and left the hate posts up.

    Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?

    179 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:00:41pm •
    re: #176 Irish Rose
    your comment wasn’t removed.

    182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:01:53pm •
    re: 179 Sharmuta
    I wouldn’t know. I don’t go to other sites…

    186 Irish Rose Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:06:02pm •
    re: 179 Sharmuta

    I’m wrong, your right… guess I’d better dig out my eyeglass and submit.
    Still doesn’t excuse the rest of it, though.

    188 Boondock St. Bender Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:08:16pm •
    re: #183 Cathypop
    lets not jump to any conclusions…zombie has always been a bud,and a source of wit and insight.she dosen’t have to justify his or herself to anyone.(if charles has a problem w/him/her i’m sure he’ll handle it)

    190 marsl Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:10:32pm •
    re: #176 Irish Rose
    Where are those posts? I went to zombies blog and site (zomblog and zombietime) and I didn’t saw any posts against LGF. Can you give some examples? Just curious.

    201 Irish Rose Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:22:03pm •
    re:#190 marsl
    Sorry, no link from me.
    Her comment section is just chock full of vile, abusive crap from the haters and stalkers and she does nothing to stop it, or remove it.
    Any respect that I may have had for Zombie is now gone.

    206 SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 5:25:57pm •
    re: #183Cathypop
    WTF is up with Zombie?
    I don’t think anything is up with Zombie. Zombie has always had a specific agenda, and personal set of projects. I think those met with a lot of approval at LGF, since Zombie’s work confirmed a lot of things that LGFers believed, and provided information on things LGFers were interested in.

    These days, the focus of the blog is less on left-wing lunacy, and there is a more vocal group of people with a strong knowledge of some of the areas Zomb covers, some of whom don’t agree with his/her take on things.

    It’s possible we just aren’t a particularly good forum for Zombie’s work any longer, or that Zombie’s taking a rest from LGF, or that what we’re discussing these days isn’t particularly interesting to him/her.

    I don’t know what’s going on at Zombietime, I haven’t been for a bit.
    I’m trying not to make this personal, since I have been both a big fan of Zombie’s hilarious coverage of local demonstrations, and troubled by some of his/her other work. Zombie doesn’t owe me anything, and I certainly don’t want to make LGF a less welcoming place for him/her. But if we’re not where teh wants to be right now…so be it.

    I will say that my own personal experience of LGF’s changes has been that I feel I can breathe, and speak more openly, and that the conservative voices here will engage me in debate, rather than sneering and screaming. So I like it. But Zomb was kind of a superstar here with the older crowd, and it may be less interesting to submit work to a more critical and less politically compatible crowd.
    I should stop now, because I’m trying to be really politically neutral here, and I’ll probably slip up any moment if I haven’t already.

    219 MJ Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:12:53pm •
    re: #176Irish Rose
    I’m unsure why you thought it was your place to lecture Zombie on her own blog?

    220 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:16:20pm •
    re: #219 MJ

    And I’m unsure why you think there’s nothing wrong with what’s going on in that thread.

    223 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 6:28:59pm •
    Lovely middle finger, that thread.

    251 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:33:48pm •
    Wow. I don’t believe who I just found among the people reading this thread. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, though.

    253 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:40:21pm •
    Zombie was logged in to this thread using the name ‘Chicken Kiev’. And he/she also had another sock puppet. They’re all blocked now

    255 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:41:11pm •
    And yes, I’m very pissed off and disappointed.

    259 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:42:19pm •
    {Charles} I’m so sorry.

    260 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:43:25pm •
    re: #242 marjoriemoon
    I tend to agree with you and SFZionist above, however and that’s a big, giant, colossal “however”

    I find it disgusting she would tolerate the negative comments on that site without (as of about an hour ago) uttering one word about it. I just took a peek. It’s her blog and she has a responsibility to maintain it. I don’t care how much she hates the Left. If Charles was good to anyone, it was to her. She wouldn’t have gotten near the exposure without him. And we have a rat in the house because they’ve been copying off this thread.

    The rat appears to be zombie.

    261 LudwigVanQuixote Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:43:41pm •
    Well this sucks. OK. I guess we knew it was coming. At least it was on a private thread.

    263 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:48:19pm •
    Zombie used her sock puppet Chicken Kiev as the author for one of her “scoops”

    Forget about Tea Parties — what about the Yoo Parties? Well, zomblog has the scoop!
    Chicken Kiev writes:

    “Saw the Yoo protest again today, and snapped another picture from my bike.”

    267 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:55:49pm •
    I may delete all my posts linking to zombie. What a back-stabbing little creep.

    268 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:57:04pm •
    And they’re over there complaining that I delinked zombie — why the hell would I link to a blog where those kinds of comments are allowed to be posted? Assholes.

    269 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:00:19pm •
    The fact that zombie was in this thread, silently watching, confirms that the comments were allowed to be posted with zombie’s full knowledge and consent.

    270 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:00:44pm •
    And again she uses her sock puppet in her work on Obama and the Weather Underground:

    “This report would not have been possible without the outstanding research contributed by quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev.”
    [Link in original]

    I have to question the integrity of such work, quite frankly.

    271 Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:02:09pm
    Charles – I’m so sorry there are so many people who gained a bit of notice because of their relationship with you and your support of them, are now engaged in the most despicable backstabbing activities. That behavior is wrong and well, in my mind, it is immoral and evil to use people that way, and I’m sorry – it must be very hurtful.

    275 jaunte Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:08:53pm •
    It’s too bad some people are so easily corrupted by anonymity.

    276 Racer X Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:09:59pm •
    Wow. Just fucking wow. Charles, you do not deserve this. Did someone spike the water or something?

    278 Jimmah Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:13:35pm •
    re: #273 iceweasel

    Right. The fabricated ‘scoop’ where she claimed a paper endorsed the Yoo protest (it didn’t. Someone took out an ad in it) and she lied and claimed that the paper published Yoo’s address. (it didn’t. The person with the ad asked people who were interested to contact her via facebook or some such.) All in an attempt to lie and say ‘the left’ was crazy. Because 6 lunatics (by her own count!) responded to a personal ad in the free Berkeley paper.

    Why am I not surprised to find out she lied about someone else taking the photos as well? Things got a bit surreal a few months back when it became apparent that zombie was hand-feeding the right wing crazies – Beck , Geller etc – even as Charles was campaigning against them. I have a feeling I am about to discover this person was ever crazier than I had supposed.

    281 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:14:57pm •

    Zombie 12/20/2005 7:55:12 am PST

    Chicken Kiev broke this story this morning here.

    Zombie 12/20/2005 7:58:50 am PST

    Here’s the links: archaeologist traded for terrorist

    Zombie 2/01/2006 3:30:22 pm PST
    #35 Chicken Kiev
    Great minds think alike!

    282 iceweasel Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:16:27pm •
    re: #267 Charles

    I think I wouldn’t delete the posts– but I would disable the links to avoid sending zombie traffic. Here is why:

    People on the right and left who are hostile to LGF will claim that you have deleted the posts in an effort to cover or whitewash your association with her. They will produce screenshots to ‘prove’ this. People who think zombie is a nut (and there are many on the left who think this) and who only think of LGF as ‘that place that made zombie famous, and had comments by that guy Iron Fist’ will be all too ready to believe that it’s an attempt at covering something up.

    It’s true that hostile people will be hostile no matter what, and will manufacture lies no matter what. This is my gut reaction though. Haven’t thought about it much yet myself, i must admit. My two cents for what they’re worth.

    I’m no fan of zombie’s by any means and I think she’s done harm to LGF in the past. The only criticisms I have seen about LGF in the last two years or so coming from the left all involved zombie– not LGF proper.

    285 ArchangelMichael Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:20:52pm •
    You gotta be shitting me… srsly? I’m way too pissed off and tired to say anything else. Ok, maybe this… fuckin ingrates that would be nowhere without LGF.

    289 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:23:23pm •
    By the way — I know for a fact that zombie and Chicken Kiev were not just sharing an IP address. They were the SAME person. My correlator tool absolutely confirms this. (Yes, I really do have a correlator tool.)

    291 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:24:52pm •
    I would appreciate it if people don’t discuss this in public threads, please.

    296 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:27:43pm •
    re: #293 BigPapa
    Crazy times. Our tent is getting smaller and smaller. All that big tent talk was BS. It’s just us now.

    Actually, it’s not getting smaller at all. LGF traffic is up by nearly 30% over the last two months.

    298 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:28:46pm •
    We don’t need no stinkin’ sock puppet posers.

    299 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:31:28pm •
    There are a lot more comments from zombie praising ‘Chicken Kiev’ that I didn’t post. She seemed quite fond of herself.

    300 Big Papa Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:32:47pm •
    re: #296 Charles
    I hope it’s interest and rational people, not socky stalkers and nutbags looking for dirt.

    302 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:34:41pm •
    re: #300 BigPapa
    I’m talking about tens of thousands of people.

    303 iceweasel Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:36:11pm •
    re: #297Jimmah
    Correspondingly, there has been a lot of adulation from the stalkers blogs for zombie over the last few months.

    There certainly has. And that’s no surprise. They loved what zombie peddled.
    I realise that this sucks, most of all for Charles, who supported her and gave her all this help, and also for the lizards here who liked her– but the truth is, this is a very good thing for LGF. She/he was a self-aggrandising faux ‘journalist’ who pushed a so-con agenda at every opportunity. Not because she herself endorsed it, I don’t necessarily think, but because it would bring traffic.

    305 ArchangelMichael Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:38:21pm •
    re: #299 Sharmuta

    I might be just imagining this, but I could have sworn that zombie told people CK was his/her sockpuppet. I could not find it a search though. Perhaps my LGF-search-fu is weak. Either way, when I saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was the sockpuppet was completely unsurprising to me.

    310 iceweasel Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:47:04pm •
    re: #295 cenotaphium

    It’s beyond creepy when the sockpuppets start talking to “each other”. Being new here, I have to ask; is this craziness (flouncing, backstabbing, stalker blogs) new, or an ongoing issue?

    Right now, things are extreme because of the tsunami of hate coming from Charles’ former ‘friends’ in the blogopshere– the people who mistakenly assumed that he hated the left, rather than hating idiocy wherever it occurs. They assumed he signed on to their agenda. There’s been quite the upheaval in the right-wing blogosphere this summer as a result, and so there have been massive attacks on LGF, on Charles, because of it.

    At the same time, lots of former LGF haters on the left have been noticing that LGF is the one place on the centre-right willing to call out the crazy. Dave Weigel at the Washington Independent did a great piece in April on the split over VB. The Daily Beast did a good piece on how Beck was polarising the righty-sphere and Charles is one of the only people calling him out.

    So there is a seachange underway and all this talk of sockpuppets, flouncings, etc is the result. Hopefully in future all discussion of the flouncings, stalker sites, etc, will come to be confined to the private threads, because it’s incomprehensible and boring to new readers– and as Charles pointed out, we’re getting tens of thousands of them now, from all over the political spectrum.

    316 Floral Giraffe Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:55:56pm •
    I am sad to see a long time poster, trashed, thrown into a wall, to see what sticks. Charles, it’s YOUR BLOG, and YOUR RULES, and YOU have a long time relationship with these folks, and you know what you are doing.

    I am a noob. I don’t have any of this history. I’m just a visitor at Charles blog. I love the information. I like some of the politics. That’s irrelevant. Charles’ blog, Charles’ rules. So, my contribution, is worth what you paid for it!

    317 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 10:55:57pm •
    re: #305 ArchangelMichael

    I don’t remember that ever being said here. I would remember if it were so.

    321 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:01:35pm •
    Remember: I promoted zombie’s photo essays for years. I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say that without my help, zombie would never have gotten noticed at all. I even PAID zombie out of my own pocket to cover the Democratic Convention. And through it all, I put MY reputation on the line by protecting zombie’s identity. I never insisted on knowing it, even when I PAID her for work. I just absorbed the tax hit myself. This bridge is completely burned.

    322 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:03:15pm •
    I’m sorry, Charles…

    337 Sharmuta Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:15:00pm •
    re: #316 Floral Giraffe
    Floral- I’m sorry if my comments upset you or anyone. I know the truth can be hard, but I think people should see what was done with that sock puppet. The truth will out.

    And as much as it pained me to keep looking at how deep this betrayal goes, I think that Charles and Lizards such as yourself deserve the truth. That’s what I tried to do.

    338 SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:16:31pm •
    re: #291 Charles

    OK, but Charles, there’s folks listening in as we type. The supply of sockpuppets appears to be infinite. But you know that.

    341 iceweasel Sun, Oct 4, 2009 11:21:23pm •
    re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist

    Yes, but the big picture here isn’t the stalkers and weirdos– it’s all the new readers. And they can’t read private threads til they register. We have many, many more readers than we have registered readers, and only a small fraction of the registered regularly comment.

    Flame wars, talk of stalker blogs, all this inside baseball blogwar stuff– needs to be kept on the locked threads whenever possible, to increase readership here. It’s shooting up as it is and will continue to do so, and they don’t care about this stuff.

    395 Sharmuta Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:24:10am •
    People flounced over this sock puppet huckster. That pisses me off. People flipped out if she faced the slightest criticism, such as- she wasn’t meticulous, *gasp* the horror! and flounced! Over a fraud. A playah. A getting picked up by alex jones and wnd sock puppeteer. That’s a damn shame. I hope they enjoy the kook fodder more than LGF, cuz now they’re locked out.

    400 Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 5, 2009 6:30:00am •
    There is just one wee problem with the way this went down. First we get this:

    re: #176 Irish Rose
    I went over to Zombies’ blog this morning to leave a comment about all of the posts there bashing Charles and LGF. I told her I was disappointed in her and I reminded her that Charles has been a good friend to her. She removed my post, and left the hate posts up. Seriously Zombie, if you’re reading this… wtf?

    Then this:

    re: #179 Sharmuta
    your comment wasn’t removed.

    I checked too, Sharmuta. It wasn’t, and it isn’t. Over at Zombie’s blog, someone had this to say:

    Irish Rose is toast. She just lied through her teeth in order to get zombie banned at LGF. The problem, Ms. Rose, is that your LGF comment can easily proven to be a lie. All one needs to go is come to this thread and look at comment #125 above.
    Your comment is still there!!! How, m’lady, are you going to explain that? And how can you explain away your blantant backstabbing lie to Charles at LGF? This is beyond the pale. In the old days of LGF, what you just did was itself a banworthy offense. Instead of zombie being banned from LGF, it is you who should be banned. Your credibility rating just dropped to zero. Permanently. What need of the lie, Rose?

    The comments there were certainly bad enough, why come and tell us you were deleted when you weren’t? You know these private threads aren’t private. Unless Zombie deleted you, then reposted your comment, just to make you look bad. Trouble is, that can’t be, because your post is time-stamped at 8:00 A.M., and people were responding to it continually throughout the day.

    Whatever. Personally, I find your persona as LGF’s resident watchdog has worn out. You just handed “them” a victory. “They” can crow about your tactics now. And they will. I don’t waste my time with Rodan and friends, but I guarantee you they’re flapping their gums about it this very second. I told you before that your self-appointed role as keeper of the flame and challenger of the flaming insane was doing more harm than good.

    The break between LGF and Zombietime was coming, but you had to lie to speed it up? As if there weren’t enough shit bubbling to the surface all over the place without you stirring it for us.

    404 iceweasel Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:01:42am •

    re: #400 Cato the Elder
    Cato– you know I love you, but I think Rose made an honest mistake when she thought her comment was deleted. She even answered Sharmuta and admitted as much.

    Also, Rose’s comment isn’t the reason for the way things went down– not by a long shot. Zombie ultimately got blocked because Charles busted her spying in on this thread and copying comments using a sockpuppet of hers. Zombie had previously used that sockpuppet to pimp her own work, as Sharm showed above. I’m fairly certain she used that sockpuppet to downding me several times as well.

    And as you say, this was in the works for months– because of zombie’s own behaviour — and her card was marked from the minute she decided to leave up nasty comments about LGF and Charles on her site. She’d obviously seen them.

    The only way Irish Rose’s comment could be at all causally connected to ‘the way things went down’ is that it MIGHT be the proximate cause of Zombie sneaking over here to look at this particular private thread yesterday, and so her being busted yesterday– but it clearly would have happened anyway because Zombie would have been caught doing that sooner or later.

    405 iceweasel Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:10:11am •
    There is obviously going to be a shitstorm on the right and gn stalker blogs about this. Someone joked upthread about zombie doing an ‘expose’ on LGF as well and I wouldn’t be surprised if she did. Also, many bewildered lizards are going to be asking in good faith “What happened to our beloved zombie?”

    Charles has already said he doesn’t want this discussed on public threads. Maybe we should all have a sort of informal policy, when the topic comes up on LGF, of saying “Yeah, Zombie’s gone, it was discussed here” and pointing people to the thread? And then refusing to discuss it further (publicly for sure)? Does this make sense to people? I’m thinking about LGF and the future, and how talking about this is deadly boring to all the new readers, and also the way rumours spread. Thoughts?

    411 Charles Mon, Oct 5, 2009 8:35:34am •
    re: #400 Cato the Elder
    Irish Rose’s comment had nothing to do with this.

    416 redneckkahfir[deleted] Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:01:24am

    418 Sharmuta Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:08:02am •
    re:#416 redneckkahfir
    No- she was logged onto THIS thread, here- the one you’re reading now. With her sock puppet. The same sock puppet she used to mask herself in her own work. She knew damned good and well what was going on on her own site.

    Besides- people from other back stabbing sites have been in touch with her. There has been a campaign behind the scenes to get zombie to leave LGF. They should all be happy now they worked so hard for someone of such impeccable character as to lie in her work.

    420 redneckkahfir[deleted] Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:11:07am

    422 Sharmuta Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:12:29am •
    No- there is no misunderstanding.Well- except maybe for you, redneckkahfir.

    423 iceweasel Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:20:12am •

    re: #420 redneckkahfir
    I am only trying to be biased in favor of fairness. Is it not possible that this is a misunderstanding?

    If you cared about fairness, you’d read the thread and see why she was actually banned. And it isn’t for the reasons you’re being told on her blog or elsewhere. And if you read the thread, you’d see that there is no misunderstanding here at all. Except your own. Sorry if this comes off harsh, but dude, please– read the thread! This issue starts at 251. if you really care about ‘fairness’, you’ll make sure you know the real reasons why she was banned before venturing an opinion about whether the banning was ‘fair’ or not.

    424 Charles Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:21:25am •
    Meltdowns are expected. That’s the third one already this morning.

    425 Charles Mon, Oct 5, 2009 9:22:30am •
    P.S. And anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to dare me to ban them will discover that I take that as an invitation.

    430 Medaura 18586 Mon, Oct 5, 2009 0:18:28am •
    My 2 cents, I agree with IceWeasel on not deleting past articles featuring/promoting her. It sounds too revisionistic, and there ought to be no shame in being fooled by ungrateful spiteful people in the past. LGF has evolved, Charles’s thinking has too, and it’s all for the better. I recently purged Zombie from my site’s blogroll (long before her banning) but if I had directly linked to her in the past, I wouldn’t undo that. I think disinterested observers following the evolution of Charles’s relationship with Zombie will be even more impressed if they see the disillusionment–that he was once her supporter but not blind to her bullshit. Correcting past mistakes is somehow even nobler than never making them.

    442 Bagua Mon, Oct 5, 2009 6:07:49pm •
    Good gosh, all this wailing and gnashing of teeth. She got caught violating the terms of service and she’s no longer welcome. End of story. Just like the nice employee that gets caught with her hand in the till.

    Good riddance I say. Who wants to be associated with dishonest people?
    Posted by The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon at 10:04 AM 2 comments

  10. Speranza says:

    The worst LGF troll from the “old days” was Ranbutan.

  11. garycooper says:

    Actually, there are two “I’m sorry” posts from Sharmuta in there. I’m sorry. 😆

    • Speranza says:

      Of course Irish Rose eventually got banned herself by “Mr.Charles Johnson” – just as all the Old Bolsheviks got purged by Stalin after they had collaborated with him in the murder of their fellow revolutionaries.

    • African Moondog says:

      garycooper :
      Actually, there are two “I’m sorry” posts from Sharmuta in there. I’m sorry. And mow she’s banned

  12. Pakimon says:

    I seem to remember Nodrog posted here for awhile but had some sort of meltdown and scurried off into oblivion.

    It’s funny how most of the people who were cheerleaders of Chunky’s Great Purge only to get banned themselves afterwards didn’t last long when they showed up at DoD.

    Even after getting back-stabbed by Kim Chunk-Cheeto after all the fealty they displayed towards him, they still bristled at the relentless mocking and ridicule of The Chunkster here.

  13. Pakimon says:

    “I am become death, destroyer of socks.” – Charles Johnson 2008

    “I am become obese, eater of Cheetos.” – Charles Johnson 2012

  14. Nomad says:

    One interesting thing in that LGF thread is that a commenter called Swampwoman was asking if calling someone c**t, Rayra’s offense, was worse that calling for genocide. CJ writes, in comment 218, was “Nobody is forcing you to read it, Swampwoman”, though that seems to be about her complaint about LGF becoming an echo chamber in the previous comment. In any case, genocidal talk was something tolerated by CJ then.

  15. mrpaulrevere says:

    The treatment of Zombie was beyond the pale and I left soon thereafter. It should be pointed out that Chunk himself implied Zombie was a liar in one of the late night post a thons. He’s a mendacious buffoon and beneath contempt.

    • African Moondog says:

      If you go through that Zombie thread you see many nics that no longer seem to post much any more such as Fat Vegetarian Bastard and Floral Giraffe.

      • mrpaulrevere says:

        And ‘Medura’ as well. I suspect some left for ideological reasons but I magine more left just because it became so damn boring. Also worth noting is that October of 09 was the time of Chunks Jihad against Stacy McCain who seems to be doing just fine.

    • Arachne says:

      I’ve had several ex-Lizards tell me that the treatment of zombie was indeed the last straw for them and that LGF had passed its expiration date.

  16. trebob says:

    Charles Johnson :
    “I am become death, destroyer of socks.”

    Take a bath and cut your toenails. :LOL:

  17. mrpaulrevere says:

    More deep thoughts from Gus last night:

    Gus Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:28:55pm


    Charity is part of the problem.

  18. haysoos says:

    ah, those were the good old days…blood all over the place but not mine…I was more interested in fast cars and music hence I never really fit in over there…but I do recall Irish Rose ginning up her ‘hit list’…the epitome of petty

  19. RTR's Rude Awakening says:

    mrpaulrevere :
    And ‘Medura’ as well. I suspect some left for ideological reasons but I magine more left just because it became so damn boring. Also worth noting is that October of 09 was the time of Chunks Jihad against Stacy McCain who seems to be doing just fine.

    That cuts both ways. I left when the place became all creationism, all the time, because it’s such a tedious, boring subject. It seems like he’s also become tedious to his old left-wing following. He’s managed to bore both sides. That’s an achievement.

  20. trebob says:

    Charles is definitely on drugs. Either that or he became borg.

    Charles tweeted:You never know what you’ll discover when you find a new way to impose order on chaos. 14 hours ago

  21. Arachne says:

    RTR’s Rude Awakening :

    Bigel wasn’t a “baiter”, he was a “nukem”. I think Nodrog was the “baiter”.

    2005 was pretty early. It actually took some work to get banned back then.

    It was indeed bigel. How I know is that it was the weekend of the Oakland meetup. I believe that one of us got a call from someone advising that we needed to find a computer right away because we needed to see bigel’s banning in a thread. The hotel had free computers but access to LGF was blocked.

  22. buzzsawmonkey says:

    Ah, the old days—when the dour Sharmuta started acting as Mad King Yertle’s personal Gestapo, and then the impenetrably stupid Jimmah and the howling hag iceweasel showed up.

  23. rightymouse says:

    Poor, poor Chuckie. All he wanted was to just ride the Obama craze wave & rake in the quatloos from a fresh coven of deluded leftists. Little did he know that after banning anyone who threatened his new world order, that only the loony and impoverished would be attracted to his site.

  24. poteen2 says:

    Briareus, Excellent work. Brings back memories for many, nightmares for a few and makes Charlie’s salmon taste terrible every night that he doesn’t read here./

  25. rightymouse says:

    An Asian perspective that’s spelling challenged.. 🙄

  26. rightymouse says:

    Except Charles gave up bike riding…

  27. MrPaulRevere says:

    This goes out to Daedalus: I just found Chunks favorite animate.gif:

  28. Roger says:

    Simple. Charles Nodickens lost a contract with the Koch brothers after Bush was out of power

  29. garycooper says:

    Sent this out to the contacts list already…expecting some blowback. 😆

  30. Briareus says:

    poteen2 :

    Briareus, Excellent work. Brings back memories for many, nightmares for a few and makes Charlie’s salmon taste terrible every night that he doesn’t read here./

    TY, but this was a group effort. Kudos to the biggest contributor: Charles Fuckface Johnson.

  31. garycooper says:

    This is my last post. I’m going to kill myself now, because of the football game. Bye now!

  32. bhagwanshreeobama says:

    Fatso banned me for comparing the Democrat Party to a cult.

    Now, here I am.

    • garycooper says:

      Well, Fatass is very jealous of successful cults. By “successful,” I mean they have a lot of members. By “members,” I mean they have a lot of dicks. LGF just has a few dicks left, that make up their membership roll. It’s a broke-dick blog.

  33. Roger says:

    I was banned for asking many of my comments be hidden away since I would not have written them on his blog if I had known he detested them

    • MrPaulRevere says:

      That was some thread! It should also be noted that Zombie was a total class act during that entire sad episode, he/she never once said a disparaging word about Chunk, and if anyone had a cause to it was her/him.

  34. RTR's Rude Awakening says:

    Here’s some science for you, Chuckles.

  35. Zeus Crankypants says:

    I’ve always enjoyed my talks with Cardinal Gibbons… or have I met him yet?

  36. sven10077 says:

    Gotta love BikeBoy the jazz flautist, so last time I hopped in it was pretty evident he was up to a trike now I’d wager he’s up to a quad. I haven’t found 6 wheelers yet.

  37. garycooper says:

    Imagine the delusional state of mind of Iceweasel, when she typed this one:

    405 iceweasel Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:10:11am •
    There is obviously going to be a shitstorm on the right and gn stalker blogs about this. Someone joked upthread about zombie doing an ‘expose’ on LGF as well and I wouldn’t be surprised if she did. Also, many bewildered lizards are going to be asking in good faith “What happened to our beloved zombie?”

    Charles has already said he doesn’t want this discussed on public threads. Maybe we should all have a sort of informal policy, when the topic comes up on LGF, of saying “Yeah, Zombie’s gone, it was discussed here” and pointing people to the thread? And then refusing to discuss it further (publicly for sure)? Does this make sense to people? I’m thinking about LGF and the future, and how talking about this is deadly boring to all the new readers, and also the way rumours spread. Thoughts?

    Just a few thoughts, hon:

    1) Nobody’s going to give a good shit.
    2) None of you will even be posting there in a year.
    3) The blog has effectively offed itself, it just doesn’t know it yet.

  38. OLT's Auntie Meme says:

    RTR’s Rude Awakening :
    venus venus venus lol

    Except in Italy.

  39. livefreeor die says:

    Wow. Just rereading the Zombie banning thread from LGF posted above. What a bunch of lunatics and lunatic ennablers.

    • RTR's Rude Awakening says:

      All because IR pitched a fit that Zombie didn’t censor some anti-Chuckulant comments. Amazing, huh?

    • haysoos says:

      I don’t begrudge people that had some emotional attachment to LGF, I didn’t….the whole purge and all the subterfuge that went with it was pretty entertaining…a lot of made up drama and theatrics…it’s just a blog or tribe or cult or whatever you want to call it…all my stupid times out were a joke, faked by chuckface because I was unintimidated by his hit poodles after 2008…LGF was just a novelty, not some creepy cyber lifestyle…the only side I ever took was defending people that were surrounded and outgunned by the New Goons

    • Bunk X says:

      Interesting that one of the first people who responded to me was “Chicken Kiev.” I came into the fray after following for years, having first heard about LGF from Rush. I didn’t know about the hive and was thrown on the gamey buttocks grille within a week.

  40. Speranza says:

    livefreeor die :
    Wow. Just rereading the Zombie banning thread from LGF posted above. What a bunch of lunatics and lunatic ennablers.

    Despite Irish Rose and several others being gone, it is far worse now.

  41. Whitespace Nazi says:

    ^^^ WhiteSpaceNazi is LMAO. ^^^

  42. Moon Nazi says:

    Moon Nazi is coming to straighten things out. We’ve been waiting for some time.

  43. Femi Nazi says:

    Sexist chauvinist pigs keep trying to force me to shave.

  44. Nazis Under The Bed says:

    Gee, I don’t want to miss the party…

    …and if this posts twice, blame lame wordpress for making me login a million times..

  45. st. wannabe says:

    I was banned after being accused of being a sock, which I was not. Charles would just accuse someone of being a sock and so nobody would question it. It was on one of his Mother Teresa bashing threads.

  46. The Big, Scary Ogre says:

    The depths of Chuckles’ paranoia may never be fully plumbed. There are those of us who avoided the most contentious topics and from about 2Q ’08 on pretty much minded our own business. I didn’t grok what was going on about the bans because I had long since stopped reading the comments on Chukles’ threads.

    At some point Chuckles and/or his minions had to have searched user-by-user to find the right-of-center people (based on past comments) and ban them en masse.

    I’ve never yet heard an actual explanation why someone like myself should have been banned. Not that I care anymore, the product stopped meeting my needs once it became “MSNBC for Kids!”

  47. Pakimon says:

    “MSNBC for Kids!”

    That’s classic! I’m definitely going to steal borrow that one from time to time. 😀

  48. “MSNBC for Kinkey Koolaid Kooks”

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