Rescued from Memory Hole: LGF Page: Arabs Gang Up on Hareidi Jews in Jerusalem

It’s becoming less frequent, but every once and a while, a quick glance at CJ’s dying blog provides something that raises one of my eyebrows (usually the left one). When I saw it at the top of the “Recent Pages” in the sidebar, I knew I had an opportunity to stir the pot, so I tweeted it to my 360 followers:

And not surprisingly, it wasn’t long until *poof*…the Page was tossed into the memory hole!  Aw shucks.

Anyway, here is the screen cap:

lgf page 292663 arabs jews

For the time being, teh Google still has it in the cache.

And here is the youtube vid in question:

And finally, the stats page for the thread, which reveals how many “tweets” (er, clicks) this page would have currently if CJ hadn’t memory-holed it.

Rescued from Memory Hole: “Captain America, Traitor?” – The Complete Thread

In the spirit of thoroughness, and since we’re still scratching our heads on this one, the BRC is going to take the opportunity to revisit a memory-holed LGF thread we featured back in October 2010, and update everyone with the complete text and all 79 comments from long-lost #6276.

First, the original screencap I grabbed from the wayback machine (while it was still unblocked by Johnson):

And now, we present the complete thread, as nabbed by ISTE while CJ was asleep at the switch:

Read the rest of this entry »

Rescued from Memory Hole: 2005: Ace of Spades Interviews LGF’s Charles Johnson

The other day, I was taking the World’s Greatest Blog Search Engine™ out for a spin, and bumped into this rather interesting post in the LGF archives:

Today, the link is dead, and the audio is no longer there. However, whereas Johnson cravenly blocked the Wayback Machine, Political Teen didn’t (along with every other blogger out there), and The Boiler Room has retrieved that long-lost audio file and uploaded it for your enjoyment:


Ah…while we’re rescuing stuff from the memory hole, we might as well retrieve the 45 comments from the thread, since they are also cravenly hidden from readers:

Straight8  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:04:20am replyquote

Do us LGFRs proud, Charles, as always.

2 [redacted, upon request]  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:09:13am replyquote

Charles, be nice to Ace, and tell him I’m listening.

3 TMF  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:11:46am replyquote

Shit- what is that eastern time- 440?

4 ted  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:12:40am replyquote

Go Charles !

5 Owl  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:13:13am replyquote

My stupid company. They block ” streaming media” but you can look up porno images all you want. (So says the guy I used to work with) but I can’t get the webradio broadcast. 😦 sniff, sniff.

6 ted  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:13:44am replyquote

#3 TMF…440 it is

7 Owl  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:14:05am replyquote

” so says the guy I used to work with.” – YEAh, RIGHT!
there, i beat you all to it

8 lancekates  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:14:55am replyquote

Have fun Bossman Charles!

9 ted  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:15:30am replyquote

#5 Id opt for porno over streaming media :>)

10 lancekates  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:20:18am replyquote

#5 Owl

where I work has access blocked to find the DC/Audio cable for Altec Lansing ACS490 Speakers for my home computer.

but I can see LGF fine.

I won’t complain.

I’ll buy new speakers.

11 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:42:04am
12 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:43:12am
13 Roger  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:43:17am replyquote

After the break!

14 stevej  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:43:53am replyquote

wow I have great timing! Just tuned in!

15 Roger  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:45:50am replyquote

Hey1 Where is everybody? This the the hip place to be:-)

16 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:47:29am
17 [redacted, upon request]  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:47:55am replyquote

He’s on!

Talking about the “No!” vote in France.

18 Straight8  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:50:35am replyquote

Totally OT
AP Deep Throat has been identified as W.Mark Felt, second in command of the FBI during the 70s. Dang, I hoped that mystery would never be solved.

19 Roger  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:50:57am replyquote

EU Constitution. Huge 400-500 page chunk of bureaucracy…

An EU group will call for vote till they get it.

20 Roger  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:51:40am replyquote

Abbas is basically Arafish in a nicer suit…

21 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:55:17am
22 brakes  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:55:24am replyquote

#11 AI

channel 1

23 Yank in the EU  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:56:05am replyquote

Hey – Charles on the radio. Very cool discussion, wish I could sit in on that one.

He was saying that he has a problem with radical Islam, but “I don’t have anything against the religion, as a religion.”

That’s fair enough.

24 tankdemon  Tue, May 31, 2005 11:56:09am replyquote

Abbas is basically Arafish in a nicer suit

Not really. One got the sense that Arafat could have stopped the terrorist attacks had he wanted too, but Abbas is impotent in that regard. Now, the purpose of the attacks is almost as much to undermine Abbas as it is to kill Jews.

25 [redacted, upon request]  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:00:12pm replyquote

Charles, I think, wanders around with a headset and does housework or something.

26 stevej  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:01:07pm replyquote

You didnt have nearly enough time on there charles

27 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:02:38pm
28 zombie  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:03:26pm replyquote

I caught the end of it. I wonder — how many listeners does “Right Talk Radio” get? Any publicity is good publicity, but the more listeners the better!

Charles was well-composed, as usual!

29 Yank in the EU  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:03:58pm replyquote

There is one annoying thing about the radio talk shows – there is just a small period in which to squeeze a discussion. I mean, unless you have some pre-rehearsed and often repeated slogans to present (or work off of), how do they expect an in depth discussion to develop – maybe with some disagreements and/or clarifications?

30 Charles  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:04:38pm replyquote

Actually, I was doing push-ups while we talked. (Kidding.)

31 stevej  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:05:13pm replyquote

Ironically I was doing pushups during the segment. Sit ups too.

32 [redacted, upon request]  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:07:10pm replyquote

#30 Charles –

Hey, two of my favorite male bloggers in one spot on the radio. I can’t complain, and at least Ace talked to you about issues, not “How did you get started blogging?” idiocy.

I liked it.

33 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:07:46pm
34 zulubaby  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:26:20pm replyquote

Actually, I was doing push-ups while we talked.

LOL! Sure you weren’t on your bicycle?

35 American Infidel[deleted]  Tue, May 31, 2005 12:40:43pm
36 Owl  Tue, May 31, 2005 1:20:23pm replyquote

I know this is heresy here, but I cna’t help it –

He was saying that he has a problem with radical Islam, but “I don’t have anything against the religion, as a religion.”

isn’t all we do around here is discuss how the “religion” of islam is a death cult and how the teachings of the koran tell them to kill us all?
someone enlighten me, i’m willing to learn.

honestly posted. cause i love this place

37 Roger  Tue, May 31, 2005 1:26:21pm replyquote

#36 Owl, we don’t all have the same opinion on LGF as you well know:-) Charles has a different opinion. That’s all.

38 Owl  Tue, May 31, 2005 1:45:36pm replyquote

Yes, I know…and I hope I don’t get flamed to death over it. I’m just asking. I respect his opinion, as I do all the folks that have even a lick of sense. I’m just trying to marry the idea that you can run a site showing the terrible evil that lurks in islam, and yet not have anything against a religion that acts the way islam does. maybe i’m out of line. sorry if so.

if gordon had said that, we’d have all jumped on him so hard and fast…

i’m not judging, i’m just always trying to figure out exactly what’s really, really going on here. . . .

and I’m apparently too stupid to be able to reconcile it all.

sorry ya’ll.

39 Owl  Tue, May 31, 2005 1:48:16pm replyquote

PS – does this mean there really is no Lizard King, Lizard Minion, and Lizard Jedi Council? OOOH NOOO. 🙂

40 Havoc  Tue, May 31, 2005 2:07:59pm replyquote

Look Owl,

Muslims come in many types,

1) most of the “peaceful” muslims are either Ignorant of the Quran and the Hadiths, their true history ,(not to mention other major religions) or have made accommodation with wealth, prosperity, the hand that feeds them, desire to be accepted, blah blah blah

and either are “non-practicing” muslims or “non-observant” muslims.

Anyway you want to practice that is fine, you can even believe in Mohammed on flying horses, and allah as benevolent and merciful and pray in your closet toward muccah 5 x’s a day if it makes you feel better.

But start preaching Jihad and murder and “all will submit” and blowing up women and children as Shaheeds — you will probably
immediatly get turned into the FBI on this site and THEN get flamed.

Does that help you sort it out ?

41 Roger  Tue, May 31, 2005 2:08:51pm replyquote

#38 Owl; Savage, Gallagher, etc. and all exposed personalities other than Frank Graham all give a reverent respect to islam as a world religion according to their understanding. Note that they’re mostly good guys only not versed in religion:-)

42 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Tue, May 31, 2005 8:00:29pm replyquote

I think it IS Islam that’s the core problem. I think most of us do, too. Even if you leave out the halfhearted and the apostates, you’re still left with the fact that its core teachings are extremely intolerant, misogynist, homophobic, and violent.

I suspect Charles was being diplomatic.


43 Yank in the EU  Wed, Jun 1, 2005 3:18:28am replyquote

My position, as I interpret Charles’ remark to mean, is that there is a distinction between the form Islam takes in the world today and Islam as such, or ‘the religion as a religion.’ In the former, the violent and radical Islamist ideology dominates; it has the central aims (as we all know) of (1) the subjugation and /or destruction of the great infidel states – Israel and America and (2) the restoration of the Islamic caliphate of old to global dominance through religious purification, purging of apostates and violent jihad. Now, it is a fact that many Muslims do not share this worldview and still regard themselves as in some way Muslim, such as the 8 million participants in the democratic (non-shari’a) election in Iraq, the opponents of the Taliban in Afghanistan or the very few Muslims who protest the violent and intolerant forms of Islam in the West. The notion of ‘Islam as such’ spans the entire history of Islam in its many manifestations, from Averroes to Sufism, without being linked to some particular manifestation or interpretation. Muslims like all human beings have the freedom to view and act upon the teachings in the Qu’ran and the life of Muhammad (which frankly I find personally revolting) as they so choose. Let us judge according to actions, not to faith.

44 Nancy  Wed, Jun 1, 2005 3:32:58am replyquote

There is Islam the religion and there is Islam as a totalitarian political-social ideology.

Islam as just a religion doesn’t result in any problems if individuals simply choose to apply it to their own selves.

It is Islamism as a political-social ideology, an authoritative, totalitarian form of government that is the problem.

45 Baldy  Wed, Jun 1, 2005 5:51:04pm replyquote

Very nice, Charles.

Rescued from Memory Hole: “Zombie: CAIR and ICNA Sponsor Islamic Ad Campaign”

Courtesy of The Great Strawberry Heist™, The Boiler Room Crew discovers another missing LGF thread:

Pulled from the bottom of a bucket, we present article # 32974:

Here’s the link(s) in question:

Zombie has a post looking into who’s behind a new advertising campaign on San Francisco buses: Islam bus ads sponsored by CAIR and ICNA roll into San Francisco.


Also see: LGF search: “Islamic Circle of North America”

Rescued from Memory Hole: “The ‘Bush as Hitler’ Retrospective”

267 Charles Sun, Oct 4, 2009 9:55:49pm •
I may delete all my posts linking to zombie. What a back-stabbing little creep.

So said CJ in one of those sooper (not so) sekrit (but quite interesting) threads that he has a tendency to post up when he’s got something buggin’ him and needs a big hug (In the past, we’ve managed to inspire them a couple times, with our fact checks on the LGF “views” and “tweet” counters, specifically). This was a big one, as this long-time LGF staple and significant contributor made the fatal error of not censoring comments left on his/her blog. –gasp!

In the end, Johnson made good on it…kinda. The Great Strawberry Heist™ revealed that there are quite a few Zombie-linked articles down in the memory hole. But, search the LGF archives, and you’ll still find more of them left standing. We haven’t yet discovered the rationale for which ones were to stay and which ones went. Perhaps the selection was just random. Or maybe he was getting through a bunch of them and realized that to follow through on ALL of them would essentially turn his archives into Swiss cheese. Who knows? All we know is there are a bunch of them in our buckets, and The Boiler Room engineers thought it was worth a thread or two (or ten).

For our first feature, we resurrect the youngest of the disappeared threads (chronologically):

Evidence of this thread’s existence is found elsewhere, as a google search reveals that another blogger copied/pasted the post for himself.

BTW- The link in question:

Pictures to prove it? Zombie’s got ’em: Bush as Hitler, Swastika-Mania: A Retrospective.

Factoids: “Zombie” appears on our banned list, and his/her user profile reveals:

karma: 36977, comments: 30699, links: 76, registered date: “Jun 15” 2004 “9:45 pm” and was referred to on the front page as LGF “minion” and “operative” more than once.

Rescued from Memory Hole: LGF Comment #’s 33454 & 33463

Previously presented by The Boiler Room Crew, the memory-holed LGF article #3910, Something Rotten in Denmark?:

(the Daniel Pipes link is question is here:
Something Rotten in Denmark?)

Today, we chose to expand on it a bit, since those Wayback Machine links no longer work, and we thought it’s a shame to leave all these damn strawberries just sitting in these buckets. That, and this particular exchange fills in a little gap in early LGF history. Thread #3910 took 91 comments into the memory hole with it, so even registered members can’t view this:

(Ernie G’s link: Grand Mosque No Thanks. Also, the link in Ernie’s nic was an email shortcut, so we might as well rescue that too: Ernie G.)

Anyway, Johnson was thoroughly impressed with Ernie’s contribution to the discussion, as sitting a little further down in the bucket we find this:

Sure enough, CJ lived up to his promise, and LGF thread # 3912 still stands today:

(oh, here, for its tweet counter.)

Rescued from Memory Hole: LGF Comment # 29084

To revisit, The Boiler Room Crew brought to light the memory-holed LGF article # 3799 (first featured here; “The Islamic State of Holland”):

lgf 3799

Today, we felt like diving in a little further, since the afore-linked wayback machine cache has since been cravenly blocked by Charles. So, we note that, in addition to the thread itself, Johnson scrubbed one of his own comments lying therein. It came in response to “Riverman’s” #25 in that thread:

#25 Riverman  8/17/2002 02:12PM PST
Oh, what a nice fear and loathing thread we have here.I live in a neighborhood with lots of Muslims. Yes, Muslim numbers here have soared over the past decade.And I am glad. They are a million miles from al-Qaeda – almost all are fleeing its various manifestations back home – and they have made this corner of Britain a better place to live.

Europe under siege and at risk of collapse? Spanish-style expulsions? Have you guys found Al Guardian’s mirror image somewhere on the web? Are you it?;)

Indeed, in those days, such a challenge begged a response, and here we have it:

(The link generously provided by CJ: Tolerating Intolerance. Bruce Bawer! Kinda Breivik-ish, don’tcha think?)

P.S. – The link cited in the main article ( is no longer valid.

Rescued from Memory Hole: Comment #’s 1372998, 1373117 & 1373121

It’s been a bit of a slow week, as the spasms and death throes of a once-popular blog are gradually losing their intensity. So we figured, what the heck, we’ll do another memory hole feature, but this time from a slightly different angle.

At this point The Boiler Room Crew can peer into the buckets and pull out random stuff if (and whenever) we want to. We’ve covered quite a bit over the past ~12 months, and now most of what’s remaining isn’t especially interesting (from an “ah ha!” shandpoint); but since we giggle each time we feature something that the Grand Lizardoid wanted buried forever -no matter how trivial- it is probably worth sharing. And naturally, the stuff that stands out to us are the things penned by Johnson himself.

So, for today’s episode, we’re going to remind everyone of a memory-holed thread featured here way back in September of last year:

lgf 14677

(Schlussel’s original link here; missing from the screencap was more of the text, followed by CJ’s familiar insistence to “read it all”)

The main event of this thread was one of the famous LGF pile-ons, after “ProudLiberals dot com”* posted this in #23:

A good portion of this thread focused on dealing with this troll (or what would have been considered such, back in those days), but a little further down, we get this from Maine’s Michael*:

Now THIS required addressing, obviously, so the Johnson decided to chime in:

Now, why in the heck would CJ want to hide such an epic display of wisdom?

*Both “ProudLiberals dot com” and “Maine’s Michael” are on our banned list (for the record).

Rescued from Memory Hole: “Fjordman: Marrying a Muslim Man?” – the Complete Thread

I think everyone would agree, it is quite strange that the newly anointed, quintessential HQ for “Bigot Brigade” bashing would have something like this buried in the closet:

But sure enough, that article was there in the LGF archives for May 18, 2006, but like the aforementioned “Fjordman” threads, it has been scrubbed (not that CJ’s hiding anything, remember).

The Boiler Room had it sitting in a bucket for a while, so what the heck? Here it is, in all its glory:

(the link goes to that blog of @lizardoid’s own creation, Jihad Watch: read the fine print)



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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:39:08pm
2 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:42:13pm replyquote
3 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:44:16pm replyquote

This one is a beaut too:

“I was just a stepping stone to a green card,” said one victim of visa fraud. “I married a terrorist. I married somebody who did not like America, who didn’t like Americans.” I have known one or two of these stepping-stones. Some are complete innocents, others don’t want to know. But it is not always the Green Card alone. Sometimes it is the Green Card, and the stepping-stone’s property, or even inheritance, as well. And it happens all over Europe as well as in North America and Australia. Indeed, one can find guides on Muslim websites for the “muhajiroun” (Holy Warriors) as to the advantages of marrying an Infidel woman. And since women are essentially chattel, who really cares what happens to them?

4 zombie  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:44:21pm replyquote

OT, but related in a sense, since it involves Scandinavia, Muslims and unhappiness:

Danish “Dance of Death” book from 1762 with poem of Death speaking to “The Turk” (i.e. Muslims):

Death to the Turk

Barbarian! who steps on the cross of Christ with your feet,(2)
and who are pleased with the impostor Mahomet (3);
In the dance of death you must now dance with me,
and receive the wages of your wickedness(4) by false witnesses(5).
The paradise of lust that Mahomet describes,
shall be revealed for you in a moment;
But if you don’t get a company of maidens,
then a flock of devils will certainly meet you there.
My arrow shall soon stand in your infidel heart.
What your inveteracy did not learn in time,
you will receive knowledge of in eternity,
where you shall stand beside your Mahomet.

The Turk to Death

Will you separate me from this life so murderously,
and represent my paradise as Hell?
Then you are the tyrant that the word calls you,
who’s great greed is most insatiable.
I will not be blessed by Christ’s cross and death.
The prophet Mahomet shall give me his heaven.
If his paradise it not full of sensual pleasures,
then no Turk has accused him for the hope.
Something in my soul moves by the arrival of Death;
but that must be terror, that Death brings along.
I won’t care for conscience.
Open up the eternity and just close Life’s door.

* * * *

When Death lays hand on evil and infidel heart,
the soul surely experiences a part of Hell’s pain.
Although its inveteracy doesn’t admit it;
but between hope and fear goes the way of all flesh

5 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:44:35pm replyquote

C’mon, they’re just exercising their right to choose.

Sure, they’re choosing a slow suicide, but who are we to judge?

sarc tag necessary?

6 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:44:53pm replyquote

Fjordman: Marrying a Muslim Man?

I certainly hope not.

7 DesertSage  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:45:24pm replyquote

when the relationship with her Muslim husband ended, he signalled quite clearly that their child was “his property.”

For some strange reason, he also wanted to keep the cat

8 Canadastani  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:45:38pm replyquote

There was a series of WSJ/ OpinionJournal articles about American women stuck in Saudi, the Saudi government’s unwillingness to let them out or, if they got out, to visit their kids. The US Embassy was not any more helpful either.
Fact is, once a Western woman arrives there, equality before the law is simply not on the agenda.

9 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:46:45pm replyquote

Oh, the fun one can have with headlines:

Feingold, Specter Clash Over Gay Marriage

It seems Russ didn’t respect Arlen’s taste in draperies.

10 traveler  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:48:27pm replyquote

Yes, Sally Field played the part of Betty Mahmoody in Not Without My Daughter

The movie was great. The book was a page turner. I have a daughter and the feeling of being trapped and not being able to leave — unless I left her behind — was a nightmare to imagine.

11 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:48:51pm replyquote

#7 DesertSage


12 zombie  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:48:55pm replyquote

#1 song_and_dance_man
Didn’t Sally Field do a movie about this kind of thing?

Yup — it was called “Not Without My Daughter.”

The modern moonbat inversion of that film is the hideous “Yes” from 2004, starring Joan Allen who has guilt-sex with a Muslim guy as atonement for being a white oppressor. This is shown as a good thing.

Plus, all the dialog is in rhythmic verse.

Worst movie of the decade, so far.

13 Cartman  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:49:17pm replyquote

How naive/ignorant/desperate can one be? They did not have at least an inkling that this would be their fate? I’m sorry, but little or no sympathy here on my end.

14 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:51:29pm replyquote

#6 Occasional Reader 5/18/2006 02:44PM PDT

Fjordman: Marrying a Muslim Man?

I certainly hope not.

You just can’t be too careful now days when writing a headline. {:-)

15 Fjordman  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:54:34pm replyquote

How naive/ignorant/desperate can one be?

About this much.

Thanks for the link, Charles.

16 Tuna  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:55:06pm replyquote

So, somebody please explain to me why a girl/woman gets an honor killing for marrying or dating a non-muslim.

-The Tuna

17 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:59:05pm
18 bweep  Thu, May 18, 2006 12:59:42pm replyquote

#14 Da_Beerfreak
#6 Occasional Reader

Fjordman: Marrying a Muslim Man?
I certainly hope not.

Well he’d certainly be in for a shock when he lifted my hijab.

19 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:02:42pm replyquote

I knew a very attractive, well-educated young American woman from my law firm days, who was dating a hip young Saudi guy. This guy was lost of fun to be around, friendly to all… and had let it be known that, among other things, no, he didn’t think women should be allowed to drive.

Always wondered what happened to her.

20 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:03:04pm replyquote

“lots” of fun, pimf

21 Fjordman  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:06:29pm replyquote

Fjordman: Marrying a Muslim Man?

Not in the immediate future, no. I’ll stay single for while.

22 KevinV  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:08:23pm replyquote

Let me tell you a Department of State story along these lines:

While I was a FSO I got to know a very experienced Consular officer who has served most of his time in NEA (Near Eastern Affairs, i.e. the Islamic World more or less).

He told me of getting a call late one night from Marine One, the main Marine guard post at our embassies, telling him that a woman claiming to be an American was there and she was hysterical.

Our guy being a good conoff gets up, dressed and has a driver take him to the Embassy, which is in the capital of a major Arab state.

The woman is American, as is quickly obvious. He talks to her. She’s been beaten for two years. She has a Muslim husband, and two children, both boys. The boys beat her as well. She takes off her hijab and she still has bright-red hand marks around her throat from where she’s been nearly strangled to death that evening.

“I want to go home,” she says.

What to do? She can’t get on a plane because she is unaccompanyied by an adult male relative, she has no passport (husband had hidden it), no money of her own, no credit cards, nothing.

Our conoff makes the call: he’s going to do something about it. He works the telephones, gets part of the staff into the embassy. It’s 3am, first plane to London leaves at 7.30, British Airways.

First, they take her picture and do an emergency passport.

Second, they do the emergency loan bit, get her a ticket and some pocket cash.

Third, they drive her to the airport.

Now, big problem: customs and immigration. Our guy goes round and round with the local officials, but they won’t budge. They know something is up.

“Where is her husband? Why is she travelling”.

At this point, the conoff told me that one should never lie in the service of the United States Government.

He then proceeds to tell us that he told the immigration authorities that he would march into the “Prince’s” office that morning to complain about them if they didn’t let her board the plane.

She boards, escapes. The next day he gets a call from her at her mom’s house in Iowa, safe. Free. Not afraid.

Within two days the local authorties are loudly complaining to the Embassy. Presented with an official diplomatic note to explain themselves, the Embassy replied that it had no record of any such woman coming to the embassy.

He’s a good FSO, that man. Liar or no!

23 Cartman  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:09:11pm replyquote

To Kris, the key to a foreign woman’s success in Egypt is conformity: “I have foreign friends in Egypt fighting against what they don’t like; they end up feeling lost and frustrated. If you don’t conform, you will be on the outside. If you don’t go with the status quo in Egypt, you will be rejected.” She points out that Egyptians refuse to cope with what’s foreign, what they don’t know.

Memo to Kris: Come to America! All are accepted; foreigner, miscreant, terrorist, illegal, etc. Our creeping socialism embraces that concept! The best of all worlds!

And the guys really don’t demand all that much.


24 Murqtaad  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:10:41pm replyquote

When I was in school, about 10 years ago, I worked with to muslim egyptians. One of whom married an American woman. About 1 year later I saw his name and pic in the paper for battery… on her. This is not some stereotype, these assholes have no class. I also remember one of the infidel deliverymen getting assaulted after a religious discussion… he had the nerve to say, “fuck allah”, I had to intervene and calm our muslim *friends* down with a, “he doesn’t know what he said.”. Not being a dhimmi, but even then I knew what loonies these guys were.

25 Geepers  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:12:03pm replyquote

Tuna (#16),

So, somebody please explain to me why a girl/woman gets an honor killing for marrying or dating a non-muslim.

The official answer:

Ruling on a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman and vice versa

It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim from any other religion, whether from among the Jews or Christians, or any other kaafir religion. It is not permissible for her to marry a Jew, a Christian, a Magian, a communist, an idol-worshipper, etc.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikoon) invite you to the Fire, but Allaah invites (you) to Paradise and forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember”

[al-Baqarah 2:221]

26 nobs  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:15:06pm replyquote

The married woman should remember that obedience to her husband takes precedence over obedience to her parents. (…) sharee’ah almost commanded women to prostrate to men, were it not for the fact that it is not permissible for anyone to prostrate to any human being. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab said: “Marriage is slavery, so be careful with regard to whom you give your daughter for enslavement.” In al-Tirmidhi and elsewhere it is narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to treat women well, for they are prisoners with you.” So a woman is like a slave or prisoner of her husband, and she cannot go out of his house except with his permission.”

Take that code stink pink.

27 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:19:08pm replyquote

#22 KevinV:

Good story. I hope this didn’t hurt the FSO’s career.

28 jehu  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:22:28pm replyquote

I think if we just allow Muslims to assimilate and become Americanized this will just fade as any sort of problem, you know like Mormon poligamy.

Its not like any new convert to Islam would have any examples or originating documents to draw these ideas anew. Once you stamp out the current (abnormal) interpretaions of Islam and the teachings of the “Holy,” prophet, then Islam will settle down and live and let live.

/many sorts of tags here

29 jooly  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:26:04pm replyquote

A few years ago, a women whose name escapes me, was trying to get her daughters back from her ex-husband who had taken them to Saudi Arabia. She made the round of talk shows including BOR. He had beaten her, she left him, she went back to him, he ran off with the kids. Unfortuantely, she was such a bitch even to the point of blaming it all on Bush. BOR set up a meeting between her and her daughters and by that time they had fully integrated in Saudi society and weren’t leaving.

Her name is Pat Roush. Now she says bor stabbed her in the back. Talk about no good deed going unpunished!

30 armytramp  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:28:50pm replyquote

That many will try to lure slutty wild womens into marriage is obvious if they want to live in the West and ofcourse many do. These men should love these womens as their life padner…but many find the over the top, highly developed sense of rebellion, not wanting to share her husbands values a bit hard to take.

Muslim men have a huge sense of macho-man, they can also have a red mist around their brain when it comes to theire padner wnating to flaunt thier religious & core values. Follow them and the muslim man can be highly sensitive & erotic man…I think the wind slutty womens only see this side of things.

Methinks the problem is slutty wild Muslim men who want multiple wives, instant divorces, endless access to as many women as they choose, and 72 perpetual virgins (surely an oxymoronic premise) when they die.

Even the goats aren’t safe.

Who are the sluts here?

31 KevinV  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:34:34pm replyquote

# 27 – OR

I hope this didn’t hurt the FSO’s career.

Quite the contrary. It’s one of those unstated but widely accepted rules at the Department that sometimes you have to break all the rules, but you’d better be prepared to take the heat for it.

Other FSO’s have acted quite differently in the same exact situation, including the famous Consul General in Saudi who informed a beaten American woman that the Embassy “was not a hotel” and that she had to leave.

That caused a great deal of (well-deserved) outrage in Congress which helped focus the Bureau of Consular Affairs’ mind on its number one job.

The bottom line here, though, is don’t marry one. Especially a Saudi.

Of course, I’ve seen the same thing with Japanese guys, including one very cool guy whose wife says just changed completely when he returned to Japan.

Of course he did. Different context, different expectations. He then had to treat her as a Japanese man must. It’s sad, but people, especially Americans, see a young man in a university setting wearing blue jeans, speaking English and drinking a beer and they figure he’s a “normal” guy.

32 reader  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:44:57pm replyquote

The actor who played Sally Fields’ Iranian husband in that movie got punched out on the streets London by a big, angry Iranian. I heard the actor himself describe this incident, in which the Iranian man first asked if he was the guy in that movie, then proceeded to deck him.

33 armytramp  Thu, May 18, 2006 1:59:38pm replyquote


Too true.

When in Rome, they behave like Romans.

When in Riyadh, they behave like [bigoted word]s.

34 KevinV  Thu, May 18, 2006 2:26:29pm replyquote

Does anyone else remember that SNL skit making fun of that Sally Field movie where Adam Sandler plays the Pakistani father?

Sally: “You can’t take my babies!”

Adam: “We’ll see what the courts say about that…the courts in PAKISTAN!”

Damn, that was funny.

35 piglet  Thu, May 18, 2006 3:06:20pm replyquote

Most importantly, don’t let him pack your luggage!:

Looking back to 1986, to the case of a Jordanian called Nezar Hindawi, some curious parallels emerge. Hindawi duped his Irish girlfriend, pregnant with his child, into trying to board an El Al plane at Heathrow with a bomb he had secretly hidden in her luggage.

Hindawi, astonishingly, fled to the Syrian embassy – bugged by MI5 – and was arrested. Britain broke off diplomatic relations with Damascus, where the government protested its innocence and hinted that Israel was responsible.

The suggestion then was that this was an entrapment ploy in which Mossad manipulated Hindawi into a stage-managed operation to embarrass Syria. Believing this, however, required accepting that the Israelis were prepared to risk killing 375 El Al passengers if his bomb had gone undetected.

Intriguingly, after Hindawi’s arrest, the head of Syria’s airforce intelligence was quietly sacked. This fuelled the theory that the operation was never authorised by Bashar’s father, Hafez, who had been furious a few months earlier when the Israelis forced down a plane carrying a top Syrian official. Fast forward to February 18 this year, four days after the Hariri assassination, when Bashar replaced his head of military intelligence, responsible for Lebanon, with his trusted brother-in-law, Asef Shawkat.

36 Logic  Thu, May 18, 2006 3:09:41pm replyquote

#12 zombie:

Yup — it was called “Not Without My Daughter.”
The modern moonbat inversion of that film is the hideous “Yes” from 2004, starring Joan Allen who has guilt-sex with a Muslim guy as atonement for being a white oppressor. This is shown as a good thing.

Plus, all the dialog is in rhythmic verse.

Worst movie of the decade, so far.

Worst movie of the decade? After visiting that web site I dare say it will hold that “honor” well into the century – nay the MILLENNIUM!

37 paxnhymn  Thu, May 18, 2006 4:03:16pm replyquote

“She decided she couldn’t stay in Egypt unless married and she accepted a marriage offer by an Egyptian man, a decision that she regrets. Cultural differences made Karen feel “oppressed” in her marriage.”

but..but..reaganite said Eygyptians were so civilized…why…he’s had tea with them!

(makes Jack Nicholson’s “Joker” pouty face from Batman)


38 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 18, 2006 4:04:32pm replyquote

I have not yet read Fjordman’s article but…when I was growing up in suburban Los Angeles my parents had a pretty young Mexican house-keeper named Marta. She was a very sexy girl, about a year older than me, probably 18 or so. I used to ask her to go out with me but she always said that I didn’t have a good enough job (and she was right).

Well Marta found a guy with a good job. He was from Jordan. She married him and moved away.

About a two years later Marta’s sister called me. She asked if I had heard any word from her, they had not had any contact with her since she left. Nothing…not a word.

I never heard from her either.

39 logger phd  Thu, May 18, 2006 4:13:19pm replyquote

Let’s not forget Not Without My Anus.

Fortunately, chemical weaponry defeated Saddam’s occupation of Canada, Praise Allah.

40 Joel  Thu, May 18, 2006 5:10:05pm replyquote

Sorry but any Western woman who marries an Arab or a Pakistani is permanently stuck on stupid.

41 Joel  Thu, May 18, 2006 5:11:03pm replyquote

#1 song_and_dance_man
Yes Sally Field did a movie called “Not Without My Daughter.”

42 poteen  Thu, May 18, 2006 5:14:10pm replyquote

Heard it on COPS a hundred times.

“If he ain’t bin drinkin'(muslim), he ain’t a bad guy. It’s just the liquor (Islam) thing that make him crazy. I still luv him. Don’ take him away!”

43 cbinflux  Thu, May 18, 2006 6:23:13pm replyquote

#28 jehu
First, there’s the teachings in the Koran.
Second, remember the studies with apes where learned behavior is passed on to ‘generations’ that never experienced the carrot or stick?

44 Manzanita and Sage  Thu, May 18, 2006 7:59:03pm replyquote

This article was chilling.

Just chilling.

45 beyerku  Fri, May 19, 2006 5:52:09am replyquote

Doesn’t anybody remember that “Not Without my Daughter” movie?

46 jooly  Fri, May 19, 2006 7:36:22am replyquote

Everybody remembers that movie. I hated to Albert Molina play such an asshole.

47 jooly  Fri, May 19, 2006 7:38:22am replyquote

I mean’t to write: I hated to see Alfred Molina in that role.

Rescued from Memory Hole: Dragonfire1981’s “Bullying” Page

You’ll see this in last night’s thread at the swamp:

Now, I didn’t see anyone mention it, but if you’re curious, you’ll discover that it is no longer there. Why? We’re not sure. But rescuing stuff from the LGF memory hole is our business here in The Boiler Room, and lately, business has been good. Mr. 1981 penned this impassioned post; presumably an attempt to get that “group blog” front page promotion…


Here’s the link to the google cache: Victims in the shadows – The ever present scourge of Bullying

Since google’s cache is temporary, we’ll document it with a short snip and a copy of the full text:


Victims in the shadows – The ever present scourge of Bullying

Many of ‘The kids’ are anything but ‘alright’
dragonfire1981   rss
CULTURE • Aug 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm PDT • Views: 13

I’d like to blow every one of their damned heads off.

No I’m not overreacting, no I’m not being overly dramatic, no I’m not just blowing off steam.

I’m being dead serious.

I’d like to blow their heads off. Each and every one of them. Let them feel pain, let them suffer, let them get a small taste of what it’s like to be me.

On second thought, no.

A bullet would be too merciful.

A quick death would be too forgiving.

If they are to die, they must suffer first, they must face torment the likes which I have faced.

I am the monster they have created.

In the end, they have only themselves to blame.

Grade 8 was Hell for me. 1994 is a year I’d really rather forget.

But I can’t.

Because the events of that year changed me forever and continue to impact my thoughts, actions and psychological health to this day. And according to this data:

Grade 8 is one of the WORST for incidents of bullying.

It’s easy to dismiss bullying as not important and just “something kids do” but to do so is naive and dangerous. I realize we have wars, an economic recession, a volatile political climate and all manner of other issues we’re facing right now, but it would be wrong of us to ignore what is happening in practically every school in every city in the country and beyond.

Here are some facts from

* Over half, about 56 percent, of all students have witnesses a bullying crime take place while at school.
* A reported 15 percent of all students who don’t show up for school report it to being out of fear of being bullied while at school.
* There are about 71 percent of students that report bullying as an on-going problem.
* Along that same vein, about one out of every 10 students drops out or changes schools because of repeated bullying.
* One out of every 20 students has seen a student with a gun at school.
* Some of the top years for bullying include 4th through 8th graders in which 90 percent were reported as victims of some kind of bullying.
* Other recent bullying statistics reveal that 54 percent of students reported that witnessing physical abuse at home can lead to violence in school.
* Among students of all ages, homicide perpetrators were found to be twice as likely as homicide victims to have been bullied previously by their peers.
* There are about 282,000 students that are reportedly attacked in high schools throughout the nation each month.

Some of these facts deserve to be examined more closely. I see my own experiences in these statistics too. I changed schools because of bullying and I was also kept away from school by my parents because of bullying (Explained in more detail further down). Look at the last one. 282 000 students A MONTH. This isn’t a minor issue, it’s a serious problem. Here’s another reason these statistics should bother us: They primarily concern only bullying incidents
that have actually been noted and reported. There are many that aren’t. I can promise you that for every kid who speaks up and tries to get help, there are at least four or five who don’t (probably more).

When researching for this post I found some data that indicated school violence has actually been decreasing since 1994. That may be true, but that doesn’t mean that bullying is declining. It’s still an ever present problem on the schoolyard.

It’s tough to describe to someone the true reality of dealing with a severe bullying situation, but here’s an analogy I developed for another bullying essay I wrote:

Imagine yourself sitting at a table in a relatively busy fast food restaurant. There’s plenty of people and activity around. Now imagine you know all the people in the restaurant and it’s clear they don’t like you and would
rather you not be there, but it’s not easy for you to just get up and leave.

Imagine you are practically paralyzed out of fear because you know they want to do something to hurt you and probably will do something. You just don’t know exactly when or how.

Now imagine they start throwing food at you. Or one of them walks past and ‘accidentally’ spills a drink on you.

Another grabs your tray of food and throws it in the trash. A third tries to smear ketchup and mustard all over your hair.

As this is going on there are other people watching, including several restaurant employees, the restaurant manager and a uniformed police officer.

Imagine none of them is doing anything to help. They are just watching silently, not saying or doing anything to stop what is happening. They are refusing to get involved in any way.

Now imagine you had to eat at the same restaurant and put up with the same abuse practically every day for a year.

Now you know what it was like being me.

That probably makes it sound like I was pretty helpless huh? No doubt you’re asking “Why didn’t he fight back? Why didn’t he do something?’

I’m not an idiot. I did do something, I did try to get help and yeah, there were even a few times I fought back.

You get punched in the face repeatedly and it’s just a matter of time before you start returning the favor. I am proud of that? Not particularly, but I refuse to stand by and allow myself to be subject to abuse when it’s not necessary. Everyone needs to understand there are consequences to their actions.

Especially bullies.

Here’s a brief summary of some of the bullying incidents that happened to me at age 13:

– Knocked down a flight stairs while in a cast and on crutches from a broken leg
– Beat up in a park and had a brand new denim jacket written all over with permanent marker
– Wedgied in front of a locker at the end of a school day, hundreds of eyewitnesses
– Hung by my belt off a fence post during recess. Again with hundreds of eyewitnesses (I couldn’t get off by myself, a fellow student had to help me off)
– Slammed into a brick wall…several times
– Prank called mercilessly
– Chased away from a local shopping mall
– Punched in the head DURING a class (the teacher at least handled the situation quickly)

And beyond that, there was daily, relentless abuse. My own mother commented how she saw my body tense up when we pulled up to the school every morning. It’s rather sad when a 13 year old gets to a point where he wishes the next day wouldn’t even come, because then he wouldn’t have to go to school.

So why didn’t I get help?

It wasn’t for lack of trying. Well ok, it was at first, but eventually I couldn’t bury it any longer and I told my parents what was happening and they tried to get me help. Four times. FOUR TIMES they and I sat in the Vice Principals office and told him what was happening. I don’t know if he did anything to try to help me, but I seriously doubt it. If he actually did, it didn’t do one bit of good.

I did have a few teachers that were supportive of me, but everyone knows the ratio of students to staff at schools is usually at least 25:1 if not more. They just couldn’t protect me all the time and they couldn’t do anything when
the abuse spilled off school property, which it regrettably did.

Recently I watched an A&E documentary on the Columbine shootings. It followed a team of doctors and scientists as they attempted to better understand the two shooters psychological condition and tried to explain why they did what they did. It was rather scary how much of myself I saw in those two kids. The only difference was that I was more rational and self disciplined.

Could I picture myself shooting up the school? Absolutely.


Simple:I thought it was the only way to stop the abuse. I had tried everything and nothing was working. All I wanted was to not be scared anymore, all I wanted was for them to leave me alone. I know a shooting would not have necessarily accomplished that, but in my state of mind at the time it seemed like a reasonable enough option.

Of course there was one other way out I could have taken. The same way out that far too many young people take…

Suicide is the third leading cause of death among young people, resulting in about 4,400 deaths per year, according to the CDC. For every suicide among young people, there are at least 100 suicide attempts. Over 14 percent of high school students have considered suicide, and almost 7 percent have attempted suicide.

It’s no secret that bullying is a direct factor in many suicides amongst young people. Did I contemplate suicide?

Yep. Knife through the wrists. I chose this method because I had easy access to knives. A single steak knife from the kitchen would get the job done. To this day I don’t really know why I didn’t go through with it but I think it had something to do with the fact that I knew if I did I would be giving the bullies exactly what they wanted:

My complete and total destruction.

So I decided not to let them have the satisfaction. I stuck it out that whole year. My parents kept me out of school for the final two weeks of the year (I already had my grades in place and was assured of passing) to get me out of the torture chamber.

Unfortunately bullying victims today often have it even rougher than I did 17 years ago. One of the reasons for that is the advent of cyberbullying.

Here are some stats on cyberbullying from

* 33 percent of youth have been victimized by cyber bullying.
* Among this percentage, being ignored and disrespected were the most common forms of cyber bullying.
* The primary cyber bullying location where victimizing occurs is in chat rooms (56 percent).
* Following chat rooms, 49 percent are victimized via instant message and 28 percent via e-mail.
* 34 percent of youth who are bullied feel frustrated, 30 percent angry and 22 percent feel sad.

* Oddly, because many studies show that females often deal with harder situations by becoming sad, this particular study suggests that females feel much angrier than males about being cyber-bullied.
* 41 percent of victims do not tell anyone in their off-screen lives about their abuse, but 38 percent did tell an online friend.
* The situation only improved for 19 percent of victims when they did tell someone about the bullying.
* 17 percent admitted to bullying another individual online.
* Of the offenders interviewed most considered it fun or instructive; such as a way to strengthen their victims.
* More than half of study participants feel that cyber bullying is as bad, or worse, as bullying in real life.

The internet barely existed in pop culture in 1994. There was no Facebook, there were no smartphones and there were no Ipods. I do not doubt that if these things were around when I was being bullied there’s a very good chance I may not be here writing this today.

Cyberbullying is a difficult animal to deal with. Oftentimes the source can be tough to trace and, if the police get involved it can be tough to prosecute, mainly because a lot of bullying/harassment laws are not written in a way that makes them applicable to cyberbullying. Some states (like Texas for example) are considering new laws designed to specifically combat this problem, but as is often the case, the technology is moving far faster than the wheels of justice.

A lot of cyberbullying occurs on social media sites like Facebook, Myspace and now Twitter. Unfortunately these sites are often less than stellar when it comes to reacting to cyberbullying and removing offending content.

Consider this case from Britain:


Houghton was instrumental in terrorizing Emily Moore after a four year hate campaign starting when she was 14 and Emily Moore was 13. With her cronies Keely Houghton chose Emily Moore as her punching bag and target for hatred. Houghton, (now that she has finally served more than school detention for her crimes!) her friends and family should do well to keep in mind that the next stop on her criminal path could well end up being “detained at her Majesty’s pleasure,” and not in a youth offender facility. They might well join her there.

Since Keely Houghton heard the proverbial bars clanged behind her arse, her mother, Nicola Houghton, has taken up her daughter’s harrassing causes and created a “club” called “Keeley Is Not A Bully.”

Although she claims to be “clearing her daughter’s name” what she has done is far different. Her chance to clear Keely’s name was in court, and obviously, the judge didn’t buy it.

This “club” (dripping sarcasm here!) to “protect Keely’s honour” is garnering support messages for Keely Houghton, but the site viciously and nastily accuses Emily Moore of lying.

Despite complaints to Facebook administrators, the site remained.

And more on the case:

Emily Moore: “While it’s there, I worry all the time. Is there to be no end to this? Bullying usually ends when you leave school, but with Facebook it feels as if there is no end.”

“I looked at the comments and some of them are really nasty, asking why she’s in prison and who do I think I am.

It’s indescribably horrible and upsetting to have to read this, especially after everything I’ve been through. And yet still Facebook does nothing about it.”

Keely Houghton was convicted and sentenced to a youth offenders institute for 3 months. “Keeley is likely to serve only six weeks of her term & has a a five-year restraining order preventing any contact.”

In my opinion another it’s become difficult to effectively curb bullying behavior for a number of reasons, but a central one is the lack of strict enough penalties for bullies either under the law or school policy. In most cases harassment is considered a misdemeanor and carries a maximum sentence of five years or less. Like with cyberbullying laws, several states are attempting to redraw harassment legislation to provide for stiffer penalties, but it’s a slow battle. Here’s a sobering story where kids who bullied a girl to the point of suicide will likely not see a day behind bars:

According to prosecutors on Wednesday, two classmates of a high school freshman who hanged herself in the stairwell of her family’s apartment have pleaded guilty to charges of criminal harassment, but other charges – which were more serious – were dropped and neither will serve any jail time.

Sean Mulveyhill and Kayla Narey pleaded guilty in Hampshire Superior Court in connection with what officials classify as the systematic bullying of 15-year-old Phoebe Prince, who committed suicide on Jan.14, 2010. She had been teased and ridiculed for weeks so consistently and viciously it drove her to taking her own life, court documents stated.

The day she took her life she endured constant verbal torture which began in the school’s library and continued as she walked home in tears, according to reports.

And another tidbit from further in the story:

On the day she died, Prince was ridiculed and berated in the South Hadley High School library. The torture continued as she walked home. One of the students called Prince names and tossed a can at her as they drove by in a car.

By 4:55 that afternoon, Prince had hanged herself in the apartment stairwell where she and her family lived in South Hadley.

That can incident brings back unsettling memories for me. During my time being bullied, I was once pelted with rock-loaded snowballs while walking home one day. Thankfully I wasn’t seriously injured, but I did get bruised up nicely.

Unfortunately the outlook for today’s victims of bullying is not all that positive. School systems around the country and around the developed world are dealing with decreases in funding and resources, driven by the economic downturn:

Across the nation, fewer education dollars are translating into larger class sizes, program eliminations, and the possibility of a 4-day school week.

The next generation could well be the most uneducated generation in American history at a crucial point in the nation’s future. Although critics have argued for several years that the U.S. educational system needed immediate reforming, current economic trends, resulting in severely trimmed budgets, are changing the face of education.

Sadly, the only governmental measure of public schools remains in the No Child Left Behind initiatives that require funding and intense data keeping. This cannot be done without revenue.

It’s pretty obvious that if they are having trouble find resources for their core programs, they aren’t going to be focusing much on bullying. Overworked teachers and administrators aren’t going to worrying about it as much either.

Here’s another article discussing the impact of the recession on school funding and resources (the article is from Britain, but the points made still apply).

The reality is evident. Bullying victims have a tough road ahead.

There’s no magic bullet for bullying and it’s a highly prevalent problem. I believe the first responsibility must lie with the parents. They need to educate their kids that bullying is wrong. Unfortuantely many bullies come from a difficult home life which forces them to take their aggression out on someone else.

We must stand as a society and say this is NOT right. Despite the issues impacting us today, we cannot afford to push our children and our future into the background under the misguided assumption that those things will take care of themselves.

If you’re still with me, I thank you for reading all of this and hope you may have learned a thing or two. This is an issue very dear to my heart (for obvious reasons) that I feel too often is simply brushed aside as unimportant.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


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1 ggt  Wed, Aug 10, 2011 4:00:10pm

Why is it so much more problem now than when I was in school (1980’s 1970’s)

2 imp_62  Wed, Aug 10, 2011 4:03:17pm

dragonfire, thank you for sharing your thoughts, research and personal history. It must be difficult despite the anonymity of the board. I have always felt that bullies are an extension of their families, and that the roots of the problem are found at home. Schools dealing with the individual bullies one-on-one is not a lasting solution, but simply a plaster to provide a short-term fix.

Also see: Dragonfire1981’s “Open letter to Charles (and others)“, which was nominated for a DoD Award for 2010.