Return of the Battle for the LGF “Tweet Counter”

Oh this is just too hilarious…

Last night, Gus 802 was quite proud of his contribution to the lizard kingdom, and posted the following:

Now, technically, there wasn’t anything wrong with Gus’s statement. He did in fact author the articles, and they did show up in that configuration under “Tweeted Articles” in the LGF sidebar.

However, the “Tweeted Articles” list in and of itself has always been flawed, as we pointed out quite a while ago that the silly counters that determine the list don’t actually count “tweets” at all. In fact, Johnson was so busted on this that he needed to have a “sekrit thread” to assure the cult that he was still competent as a programmer and it was all some sort of misunderstanding. He even called on to correct the error (as if they have anything to do with it, or should care). To this day, we assume that Johnson is still waiting for them to “fix” the thing…and waiting…

So, as is customary in a blog war, the combatants involved use the tools at their disposal to flame, debunk, mock, or otherwise retort the other side. For this example, it isn’t hard to prove this faux-tweet counter point. When a comment like Gus’ appears, it isn’t surprising that someone, somewhere took some action, with a giggle and an intent to get someone’s attention.  Enter the Johnson:

Of course, Capt. DERP didn’t think that perhaps the point was to prove that the “tweet counters” don’t actually count tweets, or that he’d inadvertently prove the point again with this statement, by saying that his wonderful “tweet counter” creation could be “artificially inflated”, or that “hurting” really meant “to get a rise out of”, and that this goal was, with this statement, well achieved.

Or did it come to him?

‘Cause almost an hour later, he issued the following declaration:

Oh noes! I suppose we wait for the inevitable announcement that Johnson has finally busted out his best coding kung-fu and custom-installed …

…an actual tweet counter?


Also see:
Actual Tweet Counter vs. LGF “Tweet” Counter
Battle for the LGF Tweet Counter: Episode III
Battle for the LGF Tweet Counter: Episode II

Update: We’re not exactly sure what CJ thought he did. Take good old LGF article #17960. Add “stalkers”. Now, watch the “views” counter, vs. the “tweet counter”.

Da shiznit’s still broken, yo. That thread has never actually been tweeted (or “retweeted”).

Update: Now here’s some crazy “tweet counter” action, right on the front page. Watch the “tweets” skyrocket while the comments slowly increase, then BOOM, the counter falls back to 10.  What the heck is up with that?

That’s Johnson’s solution?

Tech Note: LGF Pages Statistics Explained

Nine short months ago, Johnson put up a thread with this exact same title (  In the interim, however, some things have changed, so The Boiler Room feels it’s appropriate to resurrect it and get our readers and the LGF lurkers back up to speed.

To start, we’re also going to borrow the visual aid from the thread:

1. The member “rating” counter has since moved to the bottom left of each page, and is just as meaningless as a popularity counter as the day these were implemented. Case in point, my Pam Geller page had a +13 rating…before Johnson rudely tossed it into the memory hole.

2. The counter that CJ and the lizards referred to as a “retweet” or “tweet” counter, has been fact-checked and revealed to…not actually count tweets (rather, “clicks”).  In fact, the counter is not connected to twitter at all. In comparison to the tweet counters on virtually every other blog and website (including the one here at DoD), the number displayed here is going to be grossly inflated.

3. The “clicks” counter has been suspected to be FUBAR for quite some time (in fact, even Killgore could see it).  It was recently removed altogether by CJ under the lame guise of being “outdated” and “not meaningful”.  We think it was out of embarrassment (many of the counters displayed “0” clicks, even weeks after being published).

4. The “views” counter was fact-checked by The Boiler Room and also proven to be fraudulent, both by the unique technique of the “front page effect“, as well as  in the way the custom-built counter reacted to visitors’ clicks. In combination, these factors result in what we estimate as an inflation of at least 4x over what a normal view counter would tabulate on a blog like ours.  However, the design is so convoluted and the methodology so disingenuous that we must admit that, after tracking threads, observing traffic patterns and watching these counters, the exact inflation factor is hard to pin down.  In any case, like the “tweets”, the values are worthless in comparison to every other blog.

Looking at it again, the only statistic in that screencap that isn’t a complete joke is the timestamp (although even that is screwed up by a few hours on the pre-’07  main page threads, as we understand it was a side-effect of the big SQL conversion).

And the other “counter” that isn’t visible there is the one that counts the Page’s comments, and that one appears to work (although the grand total counter for the LGF archives is still technically off by 32,531).

I guess the bottom line here is that CJ appears to be pretty awful at counting…anything.  But, hey, maybe the tech support at will be just what the doctor ordered:

Battle for the LGF Tweet Counter: Episode IV

Well, it’s been more than a week, and Johnson still refuses to correct, own-up to, or clarify the “retweet” counters and the related deceptive mischaracterization regarding them (although we have noticed that CJ has refrained from any further bragging about the counts since our revelation).  It would appear that, as far as he’s concerned, a “retweet” and a “click” continue to be the same thing.(?)

But wait! Today there’s a Sekrit Thread! I seem to recall the last time LGF had one of those; it was so that CJ could set the record straight about being caught with a busted “views” counter…in private. So it stands to reason that this cyber-huddle with the cultists was called to discuss this latest matter with the tweets.

And thanks to some brave souls who dared to go undercover, we find that we shall not be disappointed:


“Apparently”?  “some confusion”?

Ummm….newsflash…CJ’s the one who’s been calling them “retweets” this whole time!

(click for the montage)

So confusing…Is he being deliberately obtuse? Or is he really that dumb?

Anyway, as we’ve pointed out before, the mischaracterization is especially vivid when it comes to the member-authored LGF Pages, as they are not only ranked by number of “tweets” in a special section of the left sidebar:

..but in the right sidebar, the “recent” and “featured” Pages include their own “tweets” counter:

And when you visit one of the Pages, roll your mouse over the counter, and you still see this:

I know we’re getting into dead horse territory, but the number being displayed both on the main page and in the “Pages” section cannot be referred to as “tweets”, “retweets”, or viewed as having any connection to twitter at all.  CuriousLurker’s Page didn’t get 1000+ “tweets” there (we’re waiting to see if he jumps up and down, btw).

Bottom line: We aren’t contending that CJ didn’t explain how the counters really work when they were originally implemented.  We know he did. But he’s continuing to embarrass himself by representing those counts as equivalent to the numbers produced by every other blog’s tweet counter (including ours), and naturally we feel obligated to say something (since all the fact-checkers at the swamp have either left, or been scared into silence).  We’re trying to help here!

Charles tries to deflect from the Tweet Wars

Charles has been busted for inflating his tweet counts. Rather than own up to it, he deflects. He takes Republican retweets mocking the Democrats and turns it into an outrage.

Charles Johnson is trying to create a scandal where none exists. The fake Brahman is acting as if he still has relevance to influence events.  Charles is no one to point fingers over anything related to twitter.